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Jon and Eric have worked in the security space as developers, architects and leaders for more years than they care to count. From commentary on current events to random musings, they chat (mostly) about security and technology topics. However, life is more than just the day job. From beekeeping adventures to hiking mountains to favorite shows, there's always something fun to wrap up the show.

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Sep 4, 2021

Eric does some electrical work, Jon chats with a police officer about his car. More Cryptocurrency is (are?) stolen. Apple has a double agent and can give you a digital driver's license. Azure has a bug and some more NSO iPhone hackery discussed. Eric finally knows what happened to the Red Delicious apples and Jon is looking forward to details from Venus.