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Jon and Eric have worked in the security space as developers, architects and leaders for more years than they care to count. From commentary on current events to random musings, they chat (mostly) about security and technology topics. However, life is more than just the day job. From beekeeping adventures to hiking mountains to favorite shows, there's always something fun to wrap up the show.

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Sep 2, 2023

School is back in session! FYI - kites won't fly without wind. Cryptocurrencies continue to make the news for all the wrong reasons and credit companies skirt the law with your personal data. Eric (might) like Open Range while Jon ponders whether insects feel joy and pain.